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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:28:00 -
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Mikey Aivo wrote:i blow up spaceships so i must go on to blow up buildings?
I would suggest that Erotica 1's behaviour is more in line with people torturing kittens being likely to go on to commit violence against humans. Except Erotica 1 is already well down that path: the whole point of the Bonus Room is to wheedle a person into an emotional outburst so they can be mocked.
Why is Erotica 1's fan group so keen to point out that they've been through all the legal points very carefully to make sure that what they're doing is legal? Could it possibly be that they are aware that they are pushing the boundaries of acceptable behaviour? Have they confused "legal" for "ethical" and "moral" acceptability? Perhaps they have no morals or ethics and only perceive that things are "legal" or "illegal." Do they comfort themselves by knowing that what they're doing is legal, therefore it's okay?
Don't confuse legality with morality.
It's perfectly legal to invest in tobacco companies, but it's morally reprehensible to do so.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.26 06:20:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Riptard has done more to generate interest in my campaign than I have. LOL
You call yourself a gentleman then resort to name-calling.
Do you see the irony?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.26 06:26:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:The question is: should being an ass hole be a bannable offense?
For certain degrees of ******* that incorporate sociopathic public mocking rituals, yes.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.26 07:00:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:What about burn Jita? Many tens of thousands of people think Goons are ass holes for burn Jita. Should we start banning Goons?
Does "Burn Jita" involve humiliating people outside the game? No it doesn't. Burn Jita is an in-game event involving people blowing up spaceships and calling each other names within the context of the game environment. That's perfectly acceptable.
PotatoOverdose wrote:What about the "code" people that harass miners. They're plenty dickish and make people rage as hard as anyone else. Ban for them too?
They gank people, blow up spaceships, act like sadistic religious zealots in-game, and post about their accomplishments on their web site. They're not taking people to their own TS server to publicly humiliate them away from the domain of the EULA and TOS. Miner bumping is perfectly legitimate. I don't buy their politics and religion, and I don't like bumping as a mechanic in general, but they're actually playing the game even if they are being jerks about it. They're a bunch of jerks, but they're keeping their jerk attitude strictly in game for the most part.
I have yet to hear about Miner Bumping requesting people send in humiliating photos. The worst of their transgressions is worshipping Erotica 1 like a god: they celebrate the bonus room in question through the "Jetliner Bumping" series of posts. [voiceover=Derryn Hinch]Shame, New Order, shame![/voiceover]
PotatoOverdose wrote:I was once on a fleet, a birthday fleet for a friend. We were in lowsec, we tackled a venture. Told the pilot he could either sing happy birthday on comms to the birthday dude, or get his ship popped. He sung the song in comms, we let him go. Should we be banned too?
Did you get them to read Wikipedia entries out loud to mock pronunciation errors, write essays about how wonderful you are, post photos of themselves naked with "Erotica 1 for CSM" signs, and ridicule them while they were doing all this? Did you change the rules about the ransom while you had them on TS?
+1 for honouring the ransom, BTW.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.26 07:14:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:
Does "Burn Jita" involve humiliating people outside the game? No it doesn't. Burn Jita is an in-game event involving people blowing up spaceships and calling each other names within the context of the game environment. That's perfectly acceptable.
Yep, it does. Killboards, and all that. Including rewards for various achievements during the event. Hell, I just realized that you're functionally arguing that sharing killmails is griefing.
How does posting killmails constitute publicly humiliating people?
The point at which you point and laugh at the "fail fit" might step over that line, but not to anywhere near the same degree as posting compromising photos or recordings of someone having an emotional breakdown.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:26:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Like a moron, I caved in to every single demand. I posted what they wanted me to say on goon forums. I sent silly apology mails, etc etc. You could say it was a taste of my own medicine notched up a bit. I felt this was the prudent approach, yet the onslaught against me continued and escalated, which led me to believe I made the wrong choice. I should have made a stand then. Instead, I took a breather from the limelight.
"The devil made me do it," is that what you are saying? You didn't really do those things, you were blackmailed by someone who has some "dirt" on you that you're too ashamed to confess to, and it was easier to claim to be a sociopath with no respect for anyone's dignity, than to confess to the sins that you had perpetrated?
Erotica 1 wrote:The "dirt" isn't even all that big of a deal, just downright embarrassing. Some years ago, I sold some resale rights stuff online to make some cash. Made some money, cool. Anyway, a guy complains. I look into it, see he's right, apologize and refund his money. I spoke to a rights owner and straightened things out.
By "sold some resale rights stuff" did you mean "I sold pirated DVDs"?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:46:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Keeping aside from the slightly rabid arguements, one question keeps popping up that no-one has answered, that seemed pretty obvious to me.
A lot of people have asked what the point of the bonus room, when they already had his stuff (and attributing it to malice or perversion)
Well, that one struck me as obvious straight away. Wait for it, those asking the question will likely burst out laughing in disbelief, but bare with me.
Its legitimacy.
Yeah, you heard that right. Ero's shtick has always been that he is the only one who does exactly what he says he does, the only one who doesn't scam, doesn't cheat his marks. That is the point of what was going on - to make the participant give up, and lose, hence making the loss of his items due to the fact he backed out (right at the last minute, of course). Regardless of the circumstances of the matter, he is able to, every time, state truthfully that the 'loser' gave up. Sure, the guy never had a chance, but if Ero walked with the items at any point, before the participant gave up of his own free will, that undermines his whole ethos and reputation.
We're not arguing about the point of the Bonus Room, we're arguing about the means that Erotica 1 uses to get the "loser" to quit or fail or lose.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:49:00 -
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dexington wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:By "sold some resale rights stuff" did you mean "I sold pirated DVDs"? It was homemade pornography.
That explains Erotica 1's character name, and insistence on mayo pics from his victims. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:52:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: No, I am not saying he did. Someone else. Doesn't matter.
Well, you being blackmailed (with RL things no less) seems to be one of the central points of the case you laid out, and that these same people are railroading you "on an almost daily basis in the forums." I would assume you have some supporting info or evidence to back up this claim. Blackmail is a pretty serious accusation after all, and should be treated as such. yes
Share this evidence with us. We want to believe that you are a good person. Once the blackmail evidence is rendered inert we will be able to see that you are the good person you know yourself to be.
Have faith in the community!
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:36:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:mittens was treated as he was because he was a representative of both players and ccl and ****** up in the the same room as most of the ccl staff.
Not to mention, live on TV (well, an Internet streamed production).
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:don get me wrong here , i was bullied as a kid, rather badly and find the bonus room to be somewhat disgusting but given that it docent break the tos or the eula....well then.
You can't legislate morality. It's up to CCP to decide whether E1's behaviour crosses some line or another. For me there's a hard limit of anything that's illegal in the real world is obviously ban-worthy. Before that, there might be some limits on what is "reasonable" behaviour out-of-game but associated with the game, because you don't necessarily want to scare away new customers before they've had a chance to see how much fun the rest of the community can be. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:38:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:I would have worked to set clear guidelines that the alleged scammer knows what's kosher and what's not.
The problem is that if you draw definitive lines in the sand, the boundary-pushers will keep sticking their toes over the line in an attempt to push the line further out of their way.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:52:00 -
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Does anyone else find it ironic that Erotica 1 on the one hand claims that anyone can search the Internet to find out how the Bonus Room works (thus ignorance is no excuse), but on the other hand "conveniently" didn't know that he needed an up-to-date passport to be part of CSM, even though the requirement is spelled out in the publicly available application criteria for the last three CSMs?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:20:00 -
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Tor Norman wrote:Erotica 1 is mean and should be permabanned. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules. We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours. His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose. But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash. He's forfeiting his space cash because he got scammed. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules. We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours. His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose. But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.
If the mark leaves, they forfeit hope and dignity. They've already forfeited their space cash and assets within the first few minutes of The Bonus Room. The rest of the time in the bonus room is just Erotica 1 and his minions stripping the mark of dignity while leading them on with the promise of hope.
"What are you going to do with your winnings?" "Have faith!" False hope for the purpose of stringing the victim along for more degradation and humiliation.
The mockingly polite behaviour of Erotica 1 is painful to listen to. The guy is just plain creepy.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:48:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:If the mark leaves, they forfeit hope and dignity. Hope and dignity, or just a bit of pride and ego? Actually they don't forfeit anything unless they choose to. Hope and dignity are internal qualities that no one can take away from you. How you feel about yourself is totally up to you. The same for pride and ego. Losing a bonus room doesn't affect your thoughts about yourself unless you choose that response.
Entering the bonus room indicates that you are incapable of thinking for yourself and let others do your thinking for you. That's what faith is all about, and that's how long cons work. Pick a mark, convince them that everything they are doing is of their own volition. They won't choose to leave because they have been told that leaving is a bad thing (because it shows lack of faith, and let down Erotica 1 who they have been told is trustworthy). Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:52:00 -
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We need CCP to take action on this matter and convince Erotica 1 to cease the out-of-game Bonus Room events to protect Erotica 1 from the unstable people who are incapable of showing enough faith in Erotica 1 to complete the bonus room successfully.
Banning the Bonus Room and similar events is for your own protection, Erotica 1.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:54:00 -
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Cha'ka Khan wrote:Can i claim that he is torturing me because his lack of intelligence hurts me physically? 
You can leave this thread at any time with no consequence to yourself.
You can block other posters so you never have to read their hurtful words.
If you are experiencing trauma as a result of reading this thread, you have only yourself to blame.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:03:00 -
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Cha'ka Khan wrote:Yeah I know he is.... 
And here you are posting in this thread again. Can you tell us why you do this?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:35:00 -
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Cha'ka Khan wrote:Because I can? Because I have to at least TRY to have faith that the human race is not totally lost....
If you want your faith in humanity restored, you will likely have much more success heading over to the New Citizens Q&A forums to see all these wonderful capsuleers providing meaningful advice in a respectful tone, even when the newbies ask the most naive questions :)
All you are seeing in this thread is a small portion of the population, and even in this thread there are more people trying to be helpful than not. Just be aware that everyone associated with Erotica 1 is in for the long con, and they have years of practise in propaganda, spin doctoring and message massaging.
Have a great day!
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:38:00 -
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Brusanan wrote:If anyone wants to help pod Erotica 1, get to Jita. We will be advertising the podding fleet in Jita local.
LOL. Mass ganking ahead as clueless folks pod Erotica 1 only to be podded themselves.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 04:47:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:wow, the exact same thing happened in our sociology class a few years back, exact same!! but add to it they didn't know who Gandhi and Che Guevara were..
Most of the school-age people don't know who Che Guevara is, even though they're wearing his face when I ask.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 04:50:00 -
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Looking forward to the next recording where we get to hear Sokhar as one of the goons (sorry, that's "escrow agents") guiding the New Order recruit through the bonus room.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 05:17:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Muestereate wrote:
For A fee of 12 billion isk I will do a deeper examination and provide a report but only to sohkar
That wasn't like, an offer to exchange real life goods or services for ISK, was it? Coz, that's against EULA.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 05:19:00 -
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So homework for the next episode of "The Bonus Room":
- Define "Stockholm Syndrome"
- Define "Battered Person Syndrome"
- Define "Ritual Hazing"
- Contrast the above, specifically in ways that they are similar and the ways that they differ
- Provide short examples of the minimal case for each condition
For bonus credit:
- Define bullying, ensuring that you do not reference US "Cyber Bullying" legislation
- Express an opinion about whether bullying can apply to interaction between adults, and what evidence you use to form this opinion
Please note: you must at least paraphrase the definitions you find in the dictionary. We do not approve of plagiarism, and the intent here is to have the student understand the material rather than simply be able to recite definitions parrot-fashion. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 05:24:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:This is the point where the witch hunt against Ero will become obvious, because regardless of Sokhar's vindication of Ero, the white knights will continue to hate him and find excuses that either try to assert Sokhar is still being coerced against his will, or that Ero has tricked him again. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if hate wasn't already in them, then they wouldn't hate. This has never been about Ero v Sokhar, it's always been about hate for Ero. That's it. That's the bottom line.
You are committing the sin of "Argument through Repetition." Just saying a thing over and over again (twice in the last four of your posts) doesn't make it any more true. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 05:31:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I'm repeating the argument for exposure. Every time someone posts one of these excuses, it becomes obvious they haven't read the thread and are oblivious to what is going on, so they get this reply. The purpose is one of convenience for the person posting more hate against Ero. It saves them from having to read the entire thread.
It is hardly a sin to be so generous with making information readily available.
So your answer to "the thread is scrolling to fast to keep up with" is to scroll it faster?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 06:22:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Fair point. But still, it's all over but the twitching.
CCP rightly expected that this would happen, and wisely stayed out of it.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 06:26:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Where did everyone crying about damage control go? All I see now is fake psychologists and sour grapes.
Sour grapes? No ma'am, those are fermented grapes. And here I have a large selection of coagulated curds to accompany said grape product. Would you like to sample some?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 06:28:00 -
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In the name of all that is holy, Ranger1 please fix those quotes  Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2014.03.28 06:44:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:No one came at Sohkar with a knife. He reacted emotionally to a scenario he placed himself in willingly. If he is a victim, he is a victim of his own choices. And before you go for the **** analogy, this has been addressed numerous times in this thread. Sohkar consented to everything every step of the way and AGREED no too long ago in the livestream that everything he did was with his consent. A **** victim doesn't consent to anything because if there's consent, then it's just consensual sex. Gittit?
Your **** analogy is just a sickening belitttlement of actual **** victims for the sake of vilifying an individual that you just don't like. And you want to call Ero wrong in the head? Get out.
I can blame Sohkar for the choices he made. Ero did not force him to do anything.
Thankfully the law has a different view on how these things happen. This is why we have cooling-off periods on major purchases and long-term subscription contracts. People can be misled into a scenario that they don't wish to be party to.
Consent to start a game doesn't imply consent to everything that happens in the game unless all the rules and procedures are advised ahead of time: this also means being explicit about the rules rather than expecting any "sane" person to be aware of the rules ahead of time simply because they're available somewhere on the Internet. By definition, someone entering Erotica 1's "Bonus Room" is not going to be sane and reasonable.
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